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Herbert
Burgess |
Manchester City
FC
4 appearances, 0 goals
P 4 W 2 D 1 L 1 F
7:
A
5
63% successful
1904-06
captain: none
minutes played: 360 |
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Timeline |
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Herbert Burgess |
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Birth |
Friday, 25 February 1881 at 92 South Street in Openshaw,
Manchester, Lancashire. |
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registered in Chorlton January-March 1881 |
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Openshaw is in the registration district
of Chorlton.... there are only two Herbert Burgess', one born in 1879, the
other 1881. The census' reveal only the 1881 was born in Openshaw.
A 1904 newspaper report confirms Irish parentage, this
Herbert's grandmother is Irish. |
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Education |
Attended St. Francis School in West
Gorton, Manchester |
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According to the 1881 census,
Herbert is the only child to Richard and Mary Ann (née Burns) and living at 92
South Street in Openshaw. They have an Irish lodger, Mary's mother. |
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According to the 1891 census,
Herbert now has two younger sisters, and they all now live two doors down,
at 88 South Street. His father is a packing-case maker. |
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According to the 1901 census,
Herbert is a blacksmith, and he has another
younger brother and the six of them live at 3 Elsian Street in South
Manchester. |
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According to the 1911 census,
still with his parents at The Woodman Hotel, 752 Oldham Road in Newton
Heath. He is still a blacksmith. |
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Marriage |
to Annie Simister, in Prestwich,
summer 1913 |
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registered in Prestwich July-September 1913 |
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Children |
Herbert and Annie Burgess had three
daughters together, Irene (b.4 November 1913) and Mary (b.late 1917). |
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In September
1915, a couple of newspaper reports confirm the Burgess' living on
Manchester Road in 'Droylsden and is
employed on Government work at the Great Central Railway Waggon Works at
Dukinfield.'
According to the
1921 census, Herbert, a smithy worker, is now married to Annie and they
have two daughters, Irene and Mary. They live with his widowed father at
426 Manchester Road in Droylsden. |
"WAGE
A TRAM FARE
Famous Footballer Who Saw Death of Empire.
"How he became a victim of economic circumstances, following the exile of
the Emperor of Austria and saw his weekly income gradually declining in
value, is related by Herbert Burgess, the famous football veteran, who
returned to his brother's home at Manchester Road, Droylsden, after an
absence abroad of 14 years. Burgess spent two years in Budapest as trainer
and coach to the Buda Pesth Club. He was there during the troublous times
following the exile of the Emperor and one day, following sever fighting
between the military and Communist party, he saw 40 corpses carried past
his house. 'Food was difficult to obtain,' said Mr. Burgess, 'and things
went worse, and whereas when I went out 100 kroner were enough to live on
for a week, before I left to go to Italy, also as a coach and trainer,
they were only the price of a tram ride.' Burgess is now open to accept a
position as trainer, coach, or masseur to an English football club. Since
retiring from football in 1910, he has been 12 months in Norway, two years
in Hungary and 12 years in Italyat Padua, Milan, and Rome." - Manchester Evening News, Saturday,
13 August 1932. |
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According to the 1939 register, Herbert is
still married and still a blacksmith and they live at 59 Lewis Road in Droylsden
with their daughter, Annie. |
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"DEATHS |
—On June 30,
at 59 Lewis Road, Droylsden, MARY, dearly-loved daughter of Herbert and
Annie BURGESS, in her 29th year. R.I.P. Requiem Mass St. Willibrord's
Church, 10 a.m.; internment St. Joseph's Cemetery, Moston, Thursday, July
4, 11 a.m." - Manchester Evening News, Monday, 1
July 1946 |
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Death |
Saturday, 23 September 1961, at his
home, 59 Lewis Road in Droylsden, Lancashire |
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aged
80 years 210 days |
registered in Ashton July-September 1961 |
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Obituary |
"Famous ex-City player dies.
"HERBERT BURGESS,
Manchester football wizard of 50 years ago who spread his soccer genius
across half a continent, died to-day, aged 80. He was the last surviving
member of the Manchester City's triumphant team which won the F.A. Cup in
1903-4 by the only goal, scored by Billy Meredith. News of his death at
his home at Lewis Road, Droylesden, comes on the day his two former
clubs—City and United—play their 'derby' game. Full-back
Burgess began his remarkable career at 18 with Glossop, though his father
disapproved of his quitting an engineering apprenticeship to play football.
His eight starry years with City ended when soccer officialdom had the
£4-a-week club players sacked for receiving incentive money. After
that it was United—until cartilage trouble ended his playing days for good.
Herbert Burgess became Manchester's soccer ambassador, spreading his
soccer skills through Norway, Hungary, and Italy. His last three coaching
jobs were with Padua, Milan, and Rome. Home in 1932, he became a licensee,
then an engineer again. Although he retired in 1946, soccer was still his
first love. He took a part-time coaching job with Ashton National works
team." - Manchester Evening News, Saturday,
23 September 1961. |
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Probate |
"BURGESS
Herbert
of 59 Lewis Road Droylesden near
Manchester
died 23 September 1961 Administration Manchester
3 November to Annie Burgess widow. Effects £1600 7s."
[2024 equivalent: £30,487]. |
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Source |
 Douglas Lammings' An
English Football Internationalist Who's Who [1990] & |
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Playing Career |
Club(s) |
Assisted many junior
clubs in Manchester, namely Gorton St. Francis FC, Openshaw United FC
and Moss Side FC, before he joined Glossop FC in 1900. Joined Manchester
City FC on 29 July 1903 for 'a very substantial figure' and a friendly
match to be played in September. |
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In the 1906 close season the FA investigated Manchester City FC's accounts
for bonuses. The FA chose to make an example of City, and Burgess was one
of seventeen players suspended until 1 January 1907, and banned from
representing the club again. The ban on
playing for Manchester City was rescinded in 1908, but Hillman never
played for the club again. |
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Burgess was supposed to have joined Everton FC, as all
agreements were signed, as Celtic FC and Aston Villa FC were after his
signature... |
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"TRANSFER OF BURGESS |
...A special
meeting of the Football League will be held in Manchester to consider the
present position of Herbert Burgess in relation to Manchester United.
Everton have asked the League to define their position, and they have also
requested the Football Association not to register Burgess as a player of
the United. Everton's case is that Manchester City gave them a League
transfer form, filled up save for the signature of Burgess, by which they
undertook to hand the player over to the Cupholders. The two clubs also
entered into an agreement on November 8th, which was duly stamped,
negotiating an exchange of Percy Hill for Herbert Burgess, and, in the
event of the failure of negotiations, Manchester City undertook to pay £600
for Hill. Everton contend that Manchester City had not fulfilled their
part of the bargain inasmuch as they never gave facilities for an
interview with Burgess after December 1st, when the Football Association
allowed him to come into the market. Everton assert they had first claim
to consideration, but that Burgess should not have been on offer to any
other club until they had seen him." - The Lancashire Daily
Post, Friday, 28 December 1906 |
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Burgess, along with
three other players, Billy Meredith, Sandy Turnbull and Bannister, crossed
the City to join rivals Manchester United FC
on 31 December 1906
for £2000, after they were suspended for under-the-counter payments.
Burgess' fee alone was reported to have been £1000. The League Committee's
response was to not allow City to benefit from any transfer fee, so the
£400 profit they had made from the purchase of Hill was to be given to
charity. |
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"Herbert Burgess is
now an inmate at Matlock House, Hyde Road, where his twisted knee is
making favorable progress." - The Weekly News, Saturday, 21
November 1908 |
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After missing the 1908-09 season with injury
and ill-health, he retired in 1910. Became a member of the Edge Lane
Athletic FC, a club in Droylsden, whom he assisted in September 1915 in
the South-Eastern Lancashire League. |
League honours
215 appearances 2 goals |
Glossop
FC 1900-03 81 appearances
debut: 28 April
1900 Glossop FC 1 Liverpool FC 2.
Manchester City FC
1903-06 85 appearances, two goals
debut: 5 September 1903 Stoke FC 1
Manchester City FC 2.
Manchester United FC 1907-09 49 appearances
debut: 1 January 1907
Manchester United FC 1 Aston Villa FC 0.
last: 25 December 1909
Manchester United FC 0 The Wednesday FC 0 |
Club honours |
FA Cup winners
1903-04 (6ᵃ), 1908-09 (0ᵃ);
Football League
Division One runners-up 1903-04 (27ᵃ), third place 1904-05 (26ᵃ); Champions 1907-08
(27ᵃ);
"An application by
the Manchester United F.C. for permission to purchase a Manchester Cup
medal for their player, Herbert Burgess, who was prevented through
injuries from playing in the the final ties, was granted" -
The Manchester Courier, Saturday, 26 September 1908 |
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Individual honours |
Football League
(seven appearances); |
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Distinctions |
Was one of the pallbearers,
along with Jack Hillman, Billy Meredith and George Livingstone, for Johnny
McMahon, Manchester City full-back, at his funeral on 14 September 1933. |
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Height/Weight |
5'
4¾", 11st.
4lbs [1904]. An answer to a question in a 1911
edition of Athletic News stated Herbert is 5' 2". |
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Source |
Douglas Lammings' An English
Football Internationalist Who's Who [1990]. |
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England Career |
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Player number |
One of seven who became the 290th players
(290) to appear for England. |
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Position(s) |
Left-back |
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First match |
No. 80, 29
February 1904,
Wales
2
England 2,
a British Championship match at
The Racecourse, Mold Road, Wrexham,
aged 23 years 4 days. |
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Last match |
No. 88,
7 April 1906, Scotland 2 England 1,
a British Championship match at
Hampden Park,
Mount Florida, Glasgow, aged 25 years 41 days. |
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Major tournaments |
British Championship 1903-04, 1905-06; |
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Team honours |
British Championship winners 1903-04, shared 1905-06; |
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Individual honours |
The North
(one appearance, January 1904); |
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Distinctions |
Probably England's
shortest ever full-back.
Died 22 days after Sam Wadsworth |
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Beyond England |
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After retiring from playing, Burgess
subsequently coached in Spain, Italy and Hungary. In August 1921, he was
in Budapest holding the appointment of trainer of the Hungarian League
Champions. Also managed Padova, Milan and Roma between 1922 and 1932 in
Italy. -
An English Football Internationalists' Who's Who.
Douglas Lamming (1990). Hatton Press, p.54. |
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The Numbers |
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parties |
Appearances |
comp. apps |
minutes |
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captain |
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4 |
4 |
4 |
360 |
0 |
none |
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The minutes here given
can only ever be a guideline and cannot therefore be accurate, only an approximation. |
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P |
W |
D |
L |
F |
A |
GD |
FTS
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CS |
FAv |
AAv |
Pts% |
W/L |
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4 |
2 |
1 |
1 |
7 |
5 |
+2 |
0 |
1 |
1.75 |
1.25 |
62.5 |
+1 |
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All of his matches were played in the British Championship
competition and at an away venue |
Tournament Record
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British Championship Competition |
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Type |
P |
W |
D |
L |
F |
A |
GD |
FTS |
CS |
FAv |
AAv |
Pts% |
W/L |
| BC
1903-04 |
3 |
2 |
1 |
0 |
6 |
3 |
+3 |
0 |
1 |
2.00 |
1.00 |
83.3 |
+2 |
| BC
1905-06 |
1 |
0 |
0 |
1 |
1 |
2 |
-1 |
0 |
0 |
1.00 |
2.00 |
0.00 |
-1 |
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BC
All |
4 |
2 |
1 |
1 |
7 |
5 |
+2 |
0 |
1 |
1.75 |
1.25 |
62.5 |
+1 |
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All Competition |
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Type |
P |
W |
D |
L |
F |
A |
GD |
FTS |
CS |
FAv |
AAv |
Pts% |
W/L |
| BC |
4 |
2 |
1 |
1 |
7 |
5 |
+2 |
0 |
1 |
1.75 |
1.25 |
62.5 |
+1 |
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4 |
2 |
1 |
1 |
7 |
5 |
+2 |
0 |
1 |
1.75 |
1.25 |
62.5 |
+1 |
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