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Herbert Burgess

Manchester City FC

4 appearances, 0 goals

P 4 W 2 D 1 L 1 F 7: A 5
63% successful

1904-06

disciplined: none
captaincies:
none
minutes played:
360

Profile

Full name Herbert Burgess
Born December 1880 in Openshaw, Manchester, Lancashire [registered in Chorlton, March 1881].
Notes Openshaw is in the registration district of Chorlton.... there are only two Herbert Burgess', one born in 1879, the other 1881. The census' reveal only the 1881 was born in Openshaw.
Wikipedia offer Herbert Larry Burgess born 25 February 1883 in Openshaw. This is simply WRONG! (There is no Herbert Larry's, and no Openshaw-born Burgess' in 1883)

Census Notes

A 1904 newspaper report confirms Irish parentage, this Herbert's grandmother is Irish.

According to the 1881 census, the five-month old Herbert is the only child to Richard and Mary and living at 92 Burgess Street in Openshaw. They have an Irish lodger, Mary's mother.

According to the 1891 census, Herbert now has two younger sisters, and they all live at 88 South Street in Openshaw. His father is a packing-case maker.

According to the 1901 census, dubiously, Herbert is a blacksmith, and he has another younger brother and the six of them live at 3 Elsian Street in South Manchester.

According to the 1911 census, still with his parents at The Woodman Hotel, 752 Oldham Road in Newton Heath. He is a blacksmith.

Died December 1951, aged 71 years ? days [registered in Ashton, Lancashire]. Another possibility is 23 September 1961, but that Herbert left his estate to his widow, Annie.
Height/Weight 5' 4¾", 11st. 4lbs [1904].

Source

Douglas Lammings' An English Football Internationalist Who's Who [1990] & FindMyPast.com

Club Career

Club(s) Assisted many junior clubs in Manchester, namely St. Francis FC, Gorton FC, Openshaw United FC and Moss Side FC, before he joined Glossop FC in 1900. Joined Manchester City FC in July 1903, and played 85 league appearances, scoring twice. Burgess was supposed to have joined Everton FC, as all agreements were signed, but instead joined rivals Manchester United FC in December 1906 for four players and £1400 and made another 49 league appearances. He retired in 1910.
Club honours FA Cup winners 1903-04; Football League Champions 1907-08;
Individual honours Football League (seven appearances)
Distinctions None

Source

Douglas Lammings' An English Football Internationalist Who's Who [1990].

England Career

Player number One of seven who became the 290th players (290) to appear for England.
Position(s) Left-back
First match No. 80, 29 February 1904, Wales 2 England 2, a British Championship match at The Racecourse, Mold Road, Wrexham, aged 23 years ? days.
Last match No. 88, 7 April 1906, Scotland 2 England 1, a British Championship match at Hampden Park, Mount Florida, Glasgow, aged 25 years ? days.
Major tournaments British Championships 1903-04, 1905-06;
Team honours British Championships winners 1903-04, shared 1905-06;
Individual honours None
Distinctions Probably England's shortest ever full-back

Beyond England

After retiring from playing, Burgess subsequently coached in Spain, Italy and Hungary. In August 1921, he was in Budapest holding the appointment of trainer of the Hungarian League Champions. Also managed Padova, Milan and Roma between 1922 and 1932 in Italy. - An English Football Internationalists' Who's Who. Douglas Lamming (1990). Hatton Press, p.54.

 

Herbert Burgess - Career Statistics
Squads Apps Comp.
Apps
Mins. Goals Goals Av.min Comp.
Goals
Capt. Disc.
4 4 4 360 0 0 min 0 none none
Due to the fact that many matches rarely stuck to exactly ninety minutes long, allowing time for injuries, errors and substitutions.  The minutes here given can only ever be a guideline and cannot therefore be accurate, only an approximation.

 

Herbert Burgess - Match Record - All Matches - By Type of Match
Type P W D L F A GD FTS CS FAv AAv Pts % W/L
Away 4 2 1 1 7 5 +2 0 1 1.75 1.25 62.5 +1
All - British Championship 4 2 1 1 7 5 +2 0 1 1.75 1.25 62.5 +1

 

Herbert Burgess - Match Record - Tournament Matches
British Championship Competition
Type P W D L F A GD FTS CS FAv AAv Pts% W/L
BC 1903-04 3 2 1 0 6 3 +3 0 1 2.00 1.00 83.3 +2
BC 1905-06 1 0 0 1 1 2 -1 0 0 1.00 2.00 0.00 -1
BC All 4 2 1 1 7 5 +2 0 1 1.75 1.25 62.5 +1
All Competition
Type P W D L F A GD FTS CS FAv AAv Pts% W/L
BC 4 2 1 1 7 5 +2 0 1 1.75 1.25 62.5 +1
All 4 2 1 1 7 5 +2 0 1 1.75 1.25 62.5 +1

 

Herbert Burgess - Match History
 Club: Manchester City F.C. - 4 full caps

Coach: F.A. International Select Committee - 4 full capsx

Age 23
1 80 29 February 1904 - Wales 2 England 2 , The Racecourse, Wrexham BC AD Start lb
2 81 12 March 1904 - Ireland 1 England 3, Solitude Ground, Belfast AW Start lb
3 82 9 April 1904 - Scotland 0 England 1, Celtic Park, Glasgow AW Start lb
Age 25
4 88 7 April 1906 - Scotland 2 England 1, Hampden Park, Glasgow BC AL Start lb

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