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Joe Spence

Manchester United FC

2 appearances, 1 goal

P 2 W 1 D 1 L 0 F 8: A 6
75% successful

1926-27

captain: none
minutes played:
180

Timeline
  Private Joseph Spence
  Spence was born and died with just a forename, Joseph. It is only his Army Service Records and some newspaper articles in 1921 that have given him a middle name of Waters.
Waters, in fact, is his mother's maiden name. There is no 'Water' anywhere except in Lamming's book.
In conclusion, it appears that Joseph signed himself as Joseph Waters from 1918 til the early 1920's.
Birth 13 December 1898 in Throckley, Newburn-on-Tyne, Northumberland [registered as just 'Joseph', in Castle Ward, March 1899]. confirmed by his 1939 register
 

According to the 1901 census, Joseph is the youngest of two children, both sons, to William and Hannah (née Waters), living at 62 Long Row in Throckley. His Scottish father is a coal mine hewer. They have two boarders, both uncle's, forty-old Joseph Waters and 31 year-old Dabiel Spence, both miners.

 

According to the 1911 census, schoolboy Joseph is now the second of five children, one sister and two more brothers. They live with their parents at 5 Oak Street in Throckley. His father is still a hewer, and still with a boarder, uncle Joseph Waters, also a hewer.
According to his Army Service Records, on 29 April 1918, Joseph Waters signed up for the Training Reserve Battalion. He is a putter in the coalmines still living at 5 Oak Street. Spence was discharged to continue with his coal mining.

  According to the 1921 census, Joseph W. is now a professional footballer (for Manchester United FC) and is the oldest of five children living at home with their parents still at 5 Oak Street.
Marriage to Alice Lown [registered as Joseph W., in Castle Ward, September 1922]. They had one son, Joseph Lown (b.13 October 1925).
 

According to the 1939 register, Joseph, an iron tube manufacturer and plain steel grinder, is married to Alice and they live at 113 Brockwell Lane in Chesterfield.

Death 31 December 1966 at The Royal Hospital in Chesterfield, aged 68 years 18 days [registered in Chesterfield, March 1967]. Living at 113 Brockwell Lane in Chesterfield
Probate "SPENCE Joseph of 113 Brockwell Lane Chesterfield died 31 December 1966 at Royal Hospital Chesterfield Administration Nottingham 26 June to Alice Spence widow £687."

Source

Douglas Lammings' An English Football Internationalist Who's Who [1990] &

Playing Career

Club(s) Began his schoolboy career playing in the Newcastle upon Tyne area. Played with Bluchers FC juniors before playing centre-forward for Throckley Celtic FC. He joined Scotswood FC in 1918. Joined Manchester United FC as a centre-forward in March 1919. He made 481 league appearances, scoring 158 goals. Signed for Bradford City FC on 12 June 1933, and after 27 goals in 75 league appearances, he joined Chesterfield FC on 16 May 1935, where he scored another ten goals in 58 league appearances. Retired in 1938
Club honours Football League Division Two runners-up 1924-25; Division Three North winners 1935-36;
Individual honours Football League (one appearance)
Distinctions Father of Joe Spence (York City FC, 1950-54)
Height/Weight 5' 6" [1918], 5' 8", 11st. 0lbs [1925 & 1928].

Source

Douglas Lammings' An English Football Internationalist Who's Who [1990].

England Career

Player number One of six who became 504th players (507) to appear for England.
Position(s) Outside-right (although being a club centre-forward)
First match No. 150, 24 May 1926, Belgium 3 England 5, an end-of-season friendly match at Olympisch Stadion, Antwerpen, aged 27 years 160 days.
Last match No. 151, 20 October 1926, England 3 Ireland 3, a British Championship match at Anfield Road, Anfield, Liverpool, aged 27 years 309 days.
Major tournaments British Championship 1926-27;
Team honours British Championship shared 1926-27;
Individual honours None
Distinctions Cousin of George Brown.
Died thirteen days after George Raikes.

Beyond England

Worked for the Chesterfield Tube Company until his retirement in 1965. - An English Football Internationalists' Who's Who. Douglas Lamming (1990). Hatton Press, p.231.

 

Joe Spence - Career Statistics
Squads Apps comp. apps Mins. Goals goals ave.min comp. goals Capt. Disc.
4 2 1 180 1 180 min 1 none none
minutes are an approximation, due to the fact that many matches rarely stick to exactly ninety minutes long, allowing time for injuries and errors.

 

Joe Spence - Match Record - All Matches - By Type of Match
Type P W D L F A GD FTS CS FAv AAv Pts% W/L
Home - British Championship 1 0 1 0 3 3 =0 0 0 3.00 3.00 50.0 =0
Away - Friendly 1 1 0 0 5 3 +2 0 0 5.00 3.00 100.0 +1
All 2 1 1 0 8 6 +2 0 0 4.00 3.00 75.0 +1

 

Joe Spence - Match Record - Tournament Matches
British Championship Competition
Type P W D L F A GD FTS CS FAv AAv Pts% W/L
BC 1926-27 1 0 1 0 3 3 =0 0 0 3.00 3.00 50.0 =0
BC All 1 0 1 0 3 3 =0 0 0 3.00 3.00 50.0 =0
All Competition
Type P W D L F A GD FTS CS FAv AAv Pts% W/L
BC 1 0 1 0 3 3 =0 0 0 3.00 3.00 50.0 =0
All 1 0 1 0 3 3 =0 0 0 3.00 3.00 50.0 =0

 

Joe Spence - Match History
 

 Club: Manchester United F.C. - two full appearances (180 min), 1 goal

F.A. International Selection Committee - two full appearances (180 min)x

Age 27
1 150 24 May 1926 - Belgium 3 England 5, Olympisch Stadion, Antwerpen tour AW Start or
151 27 May 1926 - France vs. England, Stade Olympique Yves-du-Manoir, Paris - match postponed App squad member
2 151 20 October 1926 - England 3 Ireland 3, Anfield Road, Liverpool BC HD Start 47 or

Age 28
158 28 November 1927 - England 1 Wales 2, Turf Moor, Burnley BC HL reserve

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