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Fred Pelly

Old Foresters AFC & Corinthians FC

 3 appearances, 0 goals

P 3 W 2 D 1 L 0 F 13: A 4
83% successful
1893-94

captain: none
minutes played: 270

Timeline
  Frederick Raymond Pelly JP
Birth Wednesday, 11 August 1869 at New Place, Upminster, Essex.
  no registration found
"PELLY.—Aug. 11th, at Upminster, the wife of captain Pelly, Royal Navy, of a son." - The Essex Standard and Eastern Counties Advertiser, Friday, 20 August 1869.
Baptism Saturday, 2 October 1869 at St. Mary the Virgin Church, Wanstead
 

According to the 1871 census, Fred is the fifth of six children to captain Richard Wilson and Catherine Jane (née Fry). They have three visitors and seven servants at New Place in Upminster. His father is a retired captain of the Royal Navy.

 

According to the 1881 census, the parents and five of the children including Fred, now live at 7 Forest Rise in Walthamstow. There are seven servants and three visitors. His father is still a Royal Navy captain (no longer retired).
 

(His father died on 25 May 1890 in Walthamstow)
According to the 1891 census, still at Forest Rise, Fred is one of the seven children living with their widowed mother. They have two visitors and seven servants. Fred is a merchant.
According to Passenger Lists, Fred left New York for Southampton on board the Berlin, arriving in April 1895.
  "Messrs Mann, George & Co, coal contractors, 23 Lime Street, London, E.C., 31st December, 1892 informs us that hey admitted into partnership Mr. Frederick Raymond Pelly, who for some time past has been associated with them in their business." - Shields Daily Gazette & Shipping Telegraph, Wednesday, 4 January 1893.
 

(His mother died in the middle of 1901)
Cannot not be found on the 1901 census, but Kelly's Directory puts him in Fernbank, Church Road in Buckhurst Hill from 1902 until 1922, as does his 1906 marriage registration.
  "DISSOLUTIONS OF PARTNERSHIPS
"Frederick Cleeves, John Frederick Cleeves, William Woodham Mann, Frederick Raymond Pelly, and Edwin Mabey the younger, colliery sales agents and coal and coke merchants, 23 Lime-street, London, 3 Mileage-wharf, Westbourne Park-road, and at Gloucester-chambers, Swansea." - The Manchester Courier, Thursday, 11 May 1905.
Marriage to Beatrice Alice Delmé-Radcliffe, 4 September 1906 at All Saint's Church, Knightsbridge, London
  registered in St. George Hanover Square July-September 1906
"PELLY—DELME-RADCLIFFE.—On the 4th inst., at All Saints' Church, Ennismore-gardens, Frederick Raymond Pelly, of Buckhurst Hill, Essex, and Shropham, Norfolk, to Beatrice, daughter of the late Rev. Arthur Delme-Radcliffe, of 4, Stanhope-gardens, S.W." - The Globe, Thursday, 6 September 1906
"MARRIAGE OF MR F. R. PELLY AND MISS DELME-RADCLIFFE.
"The marriage of Mr. Frederick Raymond Pelly, of Buckhurst Hill and Shropham, son of the late Capt. Pelly, R.N., to Miss Beatrice Delme-Radcliffe and Mrs Arthur Delme-Radcliffe, of 4, Stanhope-gardens, S.W., was solemnised at All Saints' Church, Ennismore-gardens, S.W., on Tuesday, in the presence of a large congregation. The Rev. A. D. Ryder, rector of Marsefield, Sussex (uncle of the bride), and Rev. Canon Pelly, rector of West Ham (brother of the bridegroom) officiated. The bride, who was given away by her brother, Mr. Ralph Delme-Radcliffe, was attired in rich ivory satin mousseline, with flounce and trimmings of Carrickmacross lace; and a tulle veil over a tiara of orange blossoms and myrtle leaves. Her ornaments were a necklace of seed pearls with diamond slides and clasps, the gift of the bridegroom, and a diamond and pearl brooch, the gift of Mr. Delme-Radcliffe; and she carried a bouquet of lilies of the valley, intermixed with sprigs of myrtle, tied with white satin streamers. There were ten bridesmaids...Mr. Andrew Buxton, of Hunsdonbury, Herts. nephew of the bridegroom, acted as best man. Mrs. Delme-Radcliffe afterwards held a reception at 4, Stanhope-gardens, S.W. The honeymoon is to be spent in Italy." - The Daily News, Tuesday, 23 April 1907.
  "Mr. Albert George Kitching, J.P., of the Stock Exchange (director of Metropolitan Railway), and Mr. Frederick Raymond Pelly (director of Messrs. Wm. Cory and Son, Ltd.) have joined the board of Coalite, Limited." - The Manchester Courier, Thursday, 11 May 1905.
 

According to Passenger Lists, Fred left Liverpool on 16 November 1907 for New York on the Mauritania. With his wife, they returned to New York on 14 June 1909 on board the Kronprinz Wilhelm. On 23 May 1910 they left for Buenos Aires on board the Aragon, and back to New York from Southampton on board the Oruba on 1 May 1911.

Cannot not be found on the 1911 census.
  "At Stratford Police Court on Saturday, four of the new Chairman of the local Urban District Councils were sworn in as ex-officio Justices of the Peace for the county. They were:—Mr. Frederick Raymond Pelly. of Buckhurst Hill." - East London Advertiser, Saturday, 4 May 1912.
According to Passenger Lists, on 3 May 1919, they left London for Gibraltar on board the Arzila. They returned from Cape Town on board the Walmer Castle, arriving in Southampton on 20 August 1920. On 17 February 1921, they left London, bound for Port Said, Egypt on board the Kalyan.

According to the 1921 census, Frederick Raymond, a company director, is married to Beatrice Alice, and with ten servants, they live at Preshaw House in Bishops Waltham.
 

According to the London Electoral Registers, from 1921 until 1939, Frederick Raymond and his wife, Beatrice Alice were living at 22 St. James Place in Pall Mall.
According to Passenger Lists, Fred went to New York on the Aquitania from Southampton on 22 January 1922, alone.
On 19 January 1923, they left for Melbourne, Australia on board the Narkunda from London.
They arrived in New York again on 5 May 1923 on board the Olympic.
Again, they left for Port Said on 15 February 1924, again on board the Kalyan from London.
He and Beatrice boarded the Kaisar-I-Hind from London on 20 March 1925 bound for Marseille.
They left London on 12 March 1926 bound for Algiers on board the Morvado, they returned to Plymouth on 10 April 1926 via Sydney, Australia, on board the Cathay.
They were still on the Cathay when they left for Colombo, Sri Lanka on 28 January 1927 from London, they returned on 23 March 1927 on the Nelgara.
They returned from Brisbane on 19 April 1928 at London on board the Mooltan.
On 16 March 1929, they left for Naples on board the Osterley from London.
They returned to London on 10 May 1929 from Brisbane on board the Otranto.
Back to New York on 5 March 1930 on the Majestic from Southampton, and again to New York on the Aquitania from Southampton on 11 March 1931. Leaving for Cherbourg on 7 April 1931 on board the Berangaria.
They left Southampton, bound for Quebec, on board the Empress of Britain, on 27 August 1932, they returned on 22 September 1932 on the same ship.
On 7 February 1933, they arrived in London from Monaco on board the Belgenland.
They returned to Naples on 31 March 1934 on board the Ormonde, from London.
They left İstanbul for Southampton onboard the Orontes on 1 May 1934.
On 27 February 1936, they both left for Kingston, Jamaica on board the Cacare from Avonmouth, they returned on board the Camito, arriving in Southampton on 25 April 1936.
Back to Port Said on 13 March 1937 on board the viceroy of India from London.
They left London for Durban on board the Dunbar Castle on 11 February 1938, and left Southampton for Durban again on board the Arundel Castle on 22 April 1938.
More information is revealed about Fred in the British Phone Books, from 1922 until 1940, his address was at Preshaw House in Upham and he could be contacted on B.Waltham 31.

  According to the 1939 register, Frederick R. and Beatrice A. are married. Fred is a land owner and farmer living at Preshaw House in Exton.
(His wife, Beatrice, would die 7 January 1940 in Preshaw House)
Death Wednesday evening, 16 October 1940 at his home at Preshaw House, Bishops Waltham, Exton, Hampshire.
 aged 71 years 66 days registered as Pelley in Droxford October-December 1940

Obituary
"THE LATE MR F. R. PELLY
"Mr. Frederick Raymond Pelly, who died at his Hampshire home, Preshaw House, last Wednesday evening, and survived his wife by only a few months. He was engaged in business for the greater part of his life, and soon became a prominent part in the City, particularly in the world of coal and shipping. He was Chairman of Messrs. Mann. George and Co., and a director of Messrs. Wm. Cory and Son, and of many subsidiary companies. As a young man he was a notable footballer and a member of the Corinthians team in the heyday of that celebrated club. In later life his chief recreation was shooting, of which he thoroughly understood the management, and with which—first at Hockwold in East Anglia and then for many years at Preshaw House, to say nothing of a moor rented in Scotland—he delighted to entertain his innumerable friends both young and old. Round his two successive English homes he also farmed on an extensive scale." - The West Sussex Gazette & South of England Advertiser, Thursday, 24 October 1940.

 "COAL FIRM'S LOSS
"Mr F. R. Pelly, a prominent figure in the coal and shipping world, who has died at the age of 71, was a director of William Cory and Son, Ltd., coal exporters, whose local offices are in Silver-street, Hull." - The Daily Mail, Saturday, 19 October 1940.
Funeral He was cremated with his "ashes spread on the centre ride of the garden plantation below the kitchen garden to Preshaw House".
Probate "PELLY Frederick Raymond of 22 St. James-place London S.W.1 and of Preshaw House Upham Hampshire died 16 October 1940 at Preshaw House Probate Llandudo 14 March to Frank Lindsay Fisher George Curwen Mumford and Phillip Henry Blackwell chartered accountants.
 Effects £472449 4s. 7d." [2019 equivalent £26,646,591]
Source

Douglas Lammings' An English Football Internationalist Who's Who [1990] &

Playing Career
Club(s) Attended Forest School and played for them between 1882 and 1886. So, by default, he became an Old Forester, becoming club captain, as well as captaining the Casuals team.
Corinthians 1891-98
Club honours None
Individual honours London FA; Essex FA (as captain);
Distinctions None
Height/Weight 6' 0", 15st. 0lbs [1895].

Source

Douglas Lammings' An English Football Internationalist Who's Who [1990].

England Career
Player number One of seven who became the 199th players (201) to appear for England.
Position(s) Left-back
First match No. 47, 25 February 1893, England 6 Ireland 1, a British Championship match at Wellington Road Football Ground, Perry Barr, Handsworth, aged 23 years 198 days.
Last match
1 year 41 days		 No. 52, 7 April 1894, Scotland 2 England 2, a British Championship at Celtic Park, Kerrydale Street, Parkhead, Glasgow, aged 24 years 239 days.
Major tournaments British Championship 1892-93, 1893-94;
Team honours British Championship winners 1892-93;
Individual honours The Amateurs (one appearance March 1893)
The Whites (one appearance, March 1894)
Distinctions Died five days after Aston Villa's Jack Devey and fifteen days after Richard Barker.
 The most appearanced Englishman at Old Foresters AFC.

Beyond England
Engaged in commercial life, he finished as senior partner of a well known firm, Mann, George & Co, coal contractors, between 1893 and 1905. Then ultimately, a director of William Cory and son. Was also the President of the Essex FA from 1926. - An English Football Internationalists' Who's Who. Douglas Lamming (1990). Hatton Press, p.195/96.


The Numbers
parties Appearances comp. apps minutes captain
3 3 3 270 0 none
The minutes here given can only ever be a guideline and cannot therefore be accurate, only an approximation.
P W D L F A GD FTS CS FAv AAv Pts% W/L
3 2 1 0 13 4 +9 0 0 4.333 1.333 83.3 +2
All of his matches were played in the British Championship

Venue Record

Venue P W D L F A GD FTS CS FAv AAv Pts% W/L
Home 1 1 0 0 6 1 +5 0 0 6.00 1.00 100.0 +1
Away 2 1 1 0 7 3 +4 0 0 3.50 1.50 75.0 +1

Tournament Record

British Championship Competition
Type P W D L F A GD FTS CS FAv AAv Pts% W/L
BC 1892-93 1 1 0 0 6 1 +5 0 0 6.00 1.00 100.0 +1
BC 1893-94 2 1 1 0 7 3 +4 0 0 3.50 1.50 75.0 +1
BC All 3 2 1 0 13 4 +9 0 0 4.333 1.333 83.3 +2

All Competition
Type P W D L F A GD FTS CS FAv AAv Pts% W/L
BC 3 2 1 0 13 4 +9 0 0 4.333 1.333 83.3 +2
3 2 1 0 13 4 +9 0 0 4.333 1.333 83.3 +2

Match History

 Clubs: Old Foresters A.F.C. & Corinthians F.C. - three full appearances (270 min) F.A. International Select Committee - three full appearances (270 min)x

apps match match details comp res. rundown pos

Age 22
u/o 19 December 1891 - England 6 Canadian-Americans 1, The Surrey Cricket Ground, Kennington Fr HW   rb
  

Age 23
1 47 25 February 1893 - England 6 Ireland 1
Wellington Road Football Ground, Handsworth		 BC HW   lb
  

one of seven who became the 199th players (201) to appear for England
the second and last Old Forester AFC player to represent England
one of four players to become the 43rd players from Corinthians FC to represent England

trial  
one appearance - The Professionals vs. The Amateurs, 22 March 1893;

Age 24
2 51 12 March 1894 - Wales 1 England 5
 The Racecourse, Wrexham		 BC AW   rb

trial  
one appearance - The Whites vs. The Stripes, 15 March 1894;

3 52 7 April 1894 - Scotland 2 England 2
Celtic Park, Glasgow		 BC AD   rb
  


     

 
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